1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,220 hello 2 00:00:04,230 --> 00:00:13,430 [Music] 3 00:00:18,710 --> 00:00:15,589 pleasure to be here 4 00:00:20,390 --> 00:00:18,720 uh so I'm in the program in Applied 5 00:00:23,450 --> 00:00:20,400 Mathematics at the University of Arizona 6 00:00:27,529 --> 00:00:23,460 but I work with Professor Regis farrier 7 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:27,539 who's an ecologist and a postdoc antenna 8 00:00:33,530 --> 00:00:30,180 affolder who is also an ecologist and 9 00:00:36,889 --> 00:00:33,540 planetary scientist so we developed 10 00:00:39,709 --> 00:00:36,899 these Global models of Europa and so 11 00:00:41,270 --> 00:00:39,719 what you see right here is the Europa 12 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:41,280 Clipper Mission which is going to launch 13 00:00:45,889 --> 00:00:43,680 next year in October hopefully and I 14 00:00:49,250 --> 00:00:45,899 believe it's the largest in terms of 15 00:00:52,190 --> 00:00:49,260 size spacecraft that NASA's ever built 16 00:00:54,049 --> 00:00:52,200 because of those massive solar panels 17 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:54,059 um because we're when we're five times 18 00:01:00,410 --> 00:00:58,079 away from the Sun at Jupiter I think the 19 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:00,420 brightness scales like inverse Square 20 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:09,950 so why do we care about Europa 21 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:13,080 so beneath the ice crust we have an 22 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:15,240 ocean which potentially contains two to 23 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:17,280 three times the amount of water as on 24 00:01:22,429 --> 00:01:20,040 Earth which is when I first discovered 25 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:22,439 that fact I was just so blown away by 26 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:23,820 that 27 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:25,920 um and we have an energy source from 28 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:29,100 tidal heating uh namely we may have 29 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:31,320 hydrothermal venting as a result of that 30 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:33,720 we saw that on Enceladus because we saw 31 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:36,240 silicates in the plumes we haven't 32 00:01:40,429 --> 00:01:37,920 confirmed that yet in Europa but it's 33 00:01:42,130 --> 00:01:40,439 very likely based on the amount of tidal 34 00:01:46,609 --> 00:01:42,140 energy that we expect 35 00:01:49,789 --> 00:01:46,619 and we also have a rock ocean interface 36 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:49,799 so that's very essential for you know 37 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,200 cycling chemicals needed for life 38 00:01:57,230 --> 00:01:55,200 uh and we have a lot of convection as 39 00:01:59,450 --> 00:01:57,240 Sarah talked about 40 00:02:02,569 --> 00:01:59,460 um which is very essential also for 41 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:05,630 so as a result we need these models to 42 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:07,439 constrain what we're going to see from 43 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:10,140 the mission so we had juice also the esa 44 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:12,300 Mission let's not forget about that 45 00:02:15,170 --> 00:02:13,200 um 46 00:02:16,309 --> 00:02:15,180 so we need to model all these different 47 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:16,319 layers 48 00:02:19,250 --> 00:02:16,980 um 49 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:19,260 so working off what we did for install 50 00:02:24,290 --> 00:02:22,260 it is to analyze the Cassini data we're 51 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:24,300 going to do that here specifically 52 00:02:30,229 --> 00:02:28,800 focusing on the ecosystem aspect 53 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:30,239 um and so what we want to do with that 54 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:32,580 is provide clear constraints on what 55 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:33,840 kind of BIOS Industries we're going to 56 00:02:39,949 --> 00:02:35,760 expect based on a number of different 57 00:02:42,770 --> 00:02:39,959 hypotheses uh of abiotic 58 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:42,780 possibilities biotic possibilities and 59 00:02:53,809 --> 00:02:50,690 so as I said our approach is very 60 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:53,819 multi-level uh we are going to first 61 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:55,920 look at the bottom layer which is the 62 00:03:00,949 --> 00:02:59,400 mixing of the core and the ocean to 63 00:03:02,449 --> 00:03:00,959 assess you know the chemical structure 64 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:02,459 coming out of you know coming out 65 00:03:07,009 --> 00:03:05,280 through through the water passing 66 00:03:08,869 --> 00:03:07,019 through the core 67 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:08,879 and what chemicals are going to come 68 00:03:12,589 --> 00:03:10,680 through that we're going to have to 69 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:12,599 assess what how that mixes in the water 70 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:15,239 to assess how much uh chemicals we're 71 00:03:20,149 --> 00:03:17,519 going to see coming out of the plumes 72 00:03:22,910 --> 00:03:20,159 and then we also need to take some model 73 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:22,920 organisms from Earth to understand the 74 00:03:28,130 --> 00:03:25,340 metabolisms that we might expect 75 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:28,140 along with the ecological and possible 76 00:03:33,229 --> 00:03:30,840 evolutionary dynamics of the life that 77 00:03:35,509 --> 00:03:33,239 we're modeling 78 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:35,519 so with this framework we're going to 79 00:03:40,369 --> 00:03:38,040 estimate the likelihoods of certain data 80 00:03:44,330 --> 00:03:40,379 sets that we're going to see via a 81 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:46,490 so to intimidate you a little bit we're 82 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:49,200 going to have some math 83 00:03:53,530 --> 00:03:51,060 um so let's talk about the mixing we 84 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:53,540 look at the dimensionless mixing ratio X 85 00:03:58,190 --> 00:03:56,220 and the temperature T so we have a 86 00:04:00,470 --> 00:03:58,200 partial differential equation which with 87 00:04:02,149 --> 00:04:00,480 spatial and time variables 88 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:02,159 solving this partial differential 89 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:04,980 equation gives us this steady state 90 00:04:09,530 --> 00:04:06,720 composition 91 00:04:12,649 --> 00:04:09,540 and temperature of the mixing layer with 92 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:12,659 the mass flux density 93 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:18,949 we can compute what we're going to see 94 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:21,660 coming out of the plumes by integrating 95 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:25,320 over the entire space so we we integrate 96 00:04:30,650 --> 00:04:27,900 the integrand contains this Mass flux 97 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:30,660 density and the concentration of a 98 00:04:35,510 --> 00:04:32,580 specific chemical component that we're 99 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:35,520 looking at so whether that be a glycine 100 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:39,540 or other amino acids or you know cells 101 00:04:44,570 --> 00:04:40,800 potentially 102 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:44,580 so the concentration of this compound at 103 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:47,100 the base of the ocean plume assuming 104 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:49,919 that the buoyant mixing layer mixes 105 00:04:53,150 --> 00:04:51,540 together as we described from the 106 00:04:55,850 --> 00:04:53,160 previous model 107 00:04:59,150 --> 00:04:55,860 is given by this quotient of these 108 00:05:03,890 --> 00:05:01,129 so then we want to look at the cell 109 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:03,900 metabolism and output and there's a very 110 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:05,820 large variety of possibilities we could 111 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:08,940 be working with here so we kind of run 112 00:05:14,450 --> 00:05:10,800 the model for tons and tons of 113 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:14,460 possibilities of Earth analogs 114 00:05:18,770 --> 00:05:15,900 um depending on these environmental 115 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:18,780 conditions so we model this catabolic 116 00:05:25,189 --> 00:05:21,840 reaction rate of a specific organism 117 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:25,199 using the Arrhenius law I know that came 118 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:27,120 up yesterday Arrhenius in one of the 119 00:05:29,770 --> 00:05:29,039 trivia questions 120 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:29,780 um 121 00:05:33,969 --> 00:05:31,800 uh so 122 00:05:38,390 --> 00:05:33,979 and that's so the Arrhenius law is 123 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:38,400 specifically this quotient here and we 124 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:40,860 use the catabolic energy constant for 125 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:44,580 given by this term and it goes in here 126 00:05:52,430 --> 00:05:47,400 to understand the ratio of inactivated 127 00:05:54,890 --> 00:05:52,440 to activated enzymes for the reaction 128 00:05:57,770 --> 00:05:54,900 now critically we assess the ecological 129 00:06:00,170 --> 00:05:57,780 dynamics of the system so 130 00:06:02,090 --> 00:06:00,180 in this case we are dealing with one 131 00:06:06,529 --> 00:06:02,100 population 132 00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:07,969 ode model 133 00:06:12,610 --> 00:06:11,220 describing the Dynamics but we've been 134 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:12,620 thinking about incorporating 135 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:15,180 multi-species into this because there's 136 00:06:18,529 --> 00:06:17,039 actually a significant dynamical 137 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:18,539 difference when you have competition 138 00:06:23,689 --> 00:06:21,900 between species in the environment and 139 00:06:26,930 --> 00:06:23,699 that would seriously affect what we'll 140 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:26,940 see when we go there so we have to we 141 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:29,360 have to have multiple different 142 00:06:33,950 --> 00:06:32,160 ecosystem Dynamics models 143 00:06:37,510 --> 00:06:33,960 and so we solve this and get a steady 144 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:37,520 state concentration of a specific uh 145 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:43,909 so what can we learn from specifically 146 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:46,800 the Europa Clipper Mission so the Europa 147 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:48,300 Clipper Mission has some very 148 00:06:53,689 --> 00:06:50,880 interesting instruments we have a 149 00:06:55,969 --> 00:06:53,699 mapping Imaging spectrometer so it will 150 00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:55,979 map the surface and conduct the 151 00:07:00,469 --> 00:06:58,319 spectroscopy of the surface and the 152 00:07:02,510 --> 00:07:00,479 distribution of the Organics so as 153 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:02,520 things come out of the plumes they they 154 00:07:06,890 --> 00:07:05,039 fall onto the surface and we should 155 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:06,900 expect to see an interesting chemical 156 00:07:11,450 --> 00:07:08,400 composition I know they're already doing 157 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:11,460 this with jwst from the from a distance 158 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:14,100 they haven't analyzed that data yet but 159 00:07:19,809 --> 00:07:15,780 uh should be interesting 160 00:07:23,330 --> 00:07:19,819 and then to sort of sniff the exosphere 161 00:07:26,510 --> 00:07:23,340 of Europa we have a mass spectrometer 162 00:07:28,969 --> 00:07:26,520 Mass specs it'll determine the the 163 00:07:31,309 --> 00:07:28,979 composition of the of the ocean beneath 164 00:07:33,529 --> 00:07:31,319 by sniffing that exosphere 165 00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:33,539 and then we have a surface dust analyzer 166 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:36,060 uh it'll have it'll measure like the 167 00:07:44,350 --> 00:07:43,070 and so in this image you can see kind of 168 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:44,360 a remote 169 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:53,330 so let's focus on this slide a little 170 00:07:58,909 --> 00:07:55,919 bit so this is the overall framework so 171 00:08:00,650 --> 00:07:58,919 at the top we have those mechanistic 172 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:00,660 models for the geochemistry and the 173 00:08:05,570 --> 00:08:03,300 biology that we discussed earlier 174 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:05,580 and so the flow of information goes from 175 00:08:10,909 --> 00:08:09,240 the top as prior probability probability 176 00:08:14,930 --> 00:08:10,919 densities 177 00:08:16,189 --> 00:08:14,940 that flow into as parameters into the 178 00:08:19,129 --> 00:08:16,199 general model 179 00:08:21,409 --> 00:08:19,139 then we pass those parameters into the 180 00:08:22,969 --> 00:08:21,419 biological model for physiology and 181 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:22,979 evolution 182 00:08:27,529 --> 00:08:24,960 which then goes to our habitability 183 00:08:30,469 --> 00:08:27,539 Criterion so the habitability Criterion 184 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:30,479 that we generally use here is it's a 185 00:08:33,889 --> 00:08:32,279 differential equation describing the 186 00:08:36,110 --> 00:08:33,899 population so essentially if I were to 187 00:08:38,329 --> 00:08:36,120 take an Earth-like organism drop it onto 188 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:38,339 Europa would the change in the 189 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:40,140 population be positive or would it be 190 00:08:44,269 --> 00:08:42,180 zero so the derivative of population 191 00:08:46,970 --> 00:08:44,279 growth essentially 192 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:46,980 and so we pass that into Bayes theorem 193 00:08:53,630 --> 00:08:49,740 as prior distributions the posterior 194 00:08:57,769 --> 00:08:53,640 distributions uh come from these uh so 195 00:09:00,590 --> 00:08:57,779 we okay actually to be more specific 196 00:09:02,389 --> 00:09:00,600 we simulate all of these models with 197 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:02,399 thousands of data points 198 00:09:06,829 --> 00:09:05,100 to get what we call pseudo data in 199 00:09:09,769 --> 00:09:06,839 what's called an approximate Bayesian 200 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:09,779 computation and so we pass that into the 201 00:09:15,050 --> 00:09:12,480 model and we take the observational data 202 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:15,060 and we put that into base theorem so if 203 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:17,100 any of you are aware of Bayes theorem 204 00:09:21,710 --> 00:09:19,560 that is a way of assessing the 205 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:21,720 probability of a certain event given 206 00:09:25,310 --> 00:09:23,399 prior information and given posterior 207 00:09:27,290 --> 00:09:25,320 information 208 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:27,300 um and so now we have this cycle of 209 00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:29,100 information so after we get a 210 00:09:32,269 --> 00:09:30,540 probability from base theorem we can 211 00:09:34,130 --> 00:09:32,279 pass it back into the geophysical 212 00:09:36,350 --> 00:09:34,140 parameters model and then continue to 213 00:09:38,410 --> 00:09:36,360 constrain as we get more observational 214 00:09:41,150 --> 00:09:38,420 data 215 00:09:45,050 --> 00:09:41,160 so here's an example of how we did that 216 00:09:47,810 --> 00:09:45,060 with Enceladus for Cassini 217 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:47,820 so in this graph here you can see the 218 00:09:51,710 --> 00:09:50,279 blue dots are simulations for 219 00:09:53,630 --> 00:09:51,720 uninhabitable 220 00:09:56,110 --> 00:09:53,640 parameter space 221 00:09:59,389 --> 00:09:56,120 the orange dots are 222 00:10:01,970 --> 00:09:59,399 uninhabited but habitable 223 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:01,980 and the green dots are habitable and 224 00:10:06,110 --> 00:10:03,480 habited 225 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:06,120 so what you can see uh from analyzing 226 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:08,100 the methane content of the plume and 227 00:10:13,009 --> 00:10:10,200 Cassini using this framework was that 228 00:10:15,290 --> 00:10:13,019 the vast majority of simulations for all 229 00:10:19,070 --> 00:10:15,300 the possibilities we assessed 230 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:19,080 fall under the biotic category 231 00:10:24,350 --> 00:10:20,160 um 232 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:27,889 I mean that speaks for itself right 233 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:30,240 so um but there's a very important 234 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:32,640 constraint on this namely the 235 00:10:37,490 --> 00:10:34,740 probability of abiogenesis 236 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:37,500 so what we do in this model is assess 237 00:10:42,310 --> 00:10:39,120 all the possibilities from probability 238 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:42,320 zero to probability one of abiogenesis 239 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:45,420 and so what we found was at a pretty low 240 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:49,260 probability of abiogenesis uh the from 241 00:10:53,569 --> 00:10:52,079 the previous slide 242 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:53,579 um 243 00:10:58,490 --> 00:10:56,160 with a low probability of a biogenesis 244 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:58,500 you see that biotic explanations are the 245 00:11:03,050 --> 00:11:00,360 most probable for what we're seeing the 246 00:11:05,870 --> 00:11:03,060 in the methane content so we really need 247 00:11:08,690 --> 00:11:05,880 to develop our models of abiogenesis to 248 00:11:11,949 --> 00:11:08,700 really limit limit this variable and 249 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:11,959 constrain this probability 250 00:11:18,769 --> 00:11:16,019 so the conclusion is in order to find 251 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:18,779 life we really have to model these 252 00:11:22,610 --> 00:11:21,060 planetary systems with the assumption 253 00:11:24,590 --> 00:11:22,620 that there could be life there already 254 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:24,600 because if we don't we're going to show 255 00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:25,980 up there and we're going to think okay 256 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:28,380 it's habitable but why because 257 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:30,540 potentially the habitability of a planet 258 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:32,220 is actually coming from the life is 259 00:11:36,889 --> 00:11:34,260 already there so we have to incorporate 260 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:36,899 that into our into our potential models 261 00:11:42,769 --> 00:11:39,920 so this will allow us to really enhance 262 00:11:43,449 --> 00:11:42,779 Mission data analysis 263 00:11:46,490 --> 00:11:43,459 um 264 00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:46,500 beforehand uh so you know with when we 265 00:11:50,630 --> 00:11:48,899 had Cassini we showed up there and we 266 00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:50,640 had no idea what was going on we're like 267 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:53,220 wild plumes this is amazing 268 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:55,920 um but it took many many years to really 269 00:12:00,170 --> 00:11:58,200 assess this so hopefully with Europa 270 00:12:03,350 --> 00:12:00,180 Clipper we have this framework in hand 271 00:12:06,650 --> 00:12:03,360 as a software package so the data can be 272 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:06,660 fed through real time and the benefit of 273 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:09,480 this is then we can narrow down in on 274 00:12:13,730 --> 00:12:11,339 specific areas of Europa that are of 275 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:13,740 interest to us and really maximize the 276 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:16,920 scientific yield of these missions 277 00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:34,009 uh nice talk uh two questions maybe the 278 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:37,260 first did you choose a prior for a 279 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:38,640 biogenesis 280 00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:41,040 yeah so we sampled the entire space from 281 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,839 zero to one probability 282 00:12:47,449 --> 00:12:45,240 in that in those 10 000 or so 283 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:47,459 simulations 284 00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:49,320 so basically 285 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:51,720 um we can't pick a prior for abiogenesis 286 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:53,760 there's no constraint on that variable 287 00:12:57,889 --> 00:12:56,160 uh so essentially we have to run the 288 00:13:00,949 --> 00:12:57,899 model for all possibilities of 289 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:00,959 abiogenesis so so like I said 290 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:03,720 specifically with the Enceladus data we 291 00:13:08,449 --> 00:13:06,240 found that uh much less than 50 percent 292 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:08,459 chance abiogenesis ensures that the 293 00:13:12,650 --> 00:13:10,500 biotic explanation is the most probable 294 00:13:16,009 --> 00:13:12,660 explanation I believe is around 30 or 295 00:13:18,829 --> 00:13:16,019 less probability but if you're beneath 296 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:18,839 that threshold then really the abiotic 297 00:13:24,350 --> 00:13:21,360 explanations are way more probable even 298 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:24,360 though the samples from the abiotic 299 00:13:28,670 --> 00:13:27,060 simulations are much smaller but you 300 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:28,680 know when the probability of evangelists 301 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:30,300 is really low 302 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:33,120 it's just not going to happen right so 303 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:34,260 okay yeah that answered my second 304 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:51,230 hey thank you for your talk so for 305 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:53,820 Europa are you also in terms of 306 00:13:58,610 --> 00:13:55,260 metabolism are you thinking about 307 00:14:01,009 --> 00:13:58,620 methanogenesis or yeah okay so that was 308 00:14:03,769 --> 00:14:01,019 the first step to consider um infer 309 00:14:05,569 --> 00:14:03,779 Enceladus it was kind of a the most 310 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:05,579 obvious thing to look at because of the 311 00:14:11,329 --> 00:14:07,500 methane content 312 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:11,339 um with Europa it's more complex uh 313 00:14:15,769 --> 00:14:13,680 because we don't have any real data from 314 00:14:17,629 --> 00:14:15,779 Europa and also the environments on 315 00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:17,639 Europa are much more varied you have 316 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:19,680 subsurface pockets of water along with 317 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,720 the ocean and maybe you have like 318 00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:23,760 biofilms on the bottom of the eye so 319 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:26,820 it's it's a much more complex thing 320 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:29,760 um so my hope is to uh run all the 321 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:31,260 simulations for all the possible 322 00:14:36,650 --> 00:14:34,500 hypotheses that exist currently okay and 323 00:14:39,050 --> 00:14:36,660 I have one little follow-up question so 324 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:39,060 you very briefly talked about Dynamic 325 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:40,320 communities and you mentioned 326 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:42,300 competition are you just looking at 327 00:14:47,389 --> 00:14:44,940 competition or are you looking at other 328 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:47,399 sorts of consortiums like in a biofilm 329 00:14:53,329 --> 00:14:49,199 there's competition but there's also 330 00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:53,339 lots of sharing going on right so um if 331 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:55,680 we're including multi-species in our 332 00:15:00,170 --> 00:14:57,540 models we're hoping to incorporate all 333 00:15:01,370 --> 00:15:00,180 the possible interactions between these 334 00:15:02,030 --> 00:15:01,380 species 335 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,040 um 336 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:05,760 which is really critical I want to re re 337 00:15:10,730 --> 00:15:08,459 uh iterate because you know the 338 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:10,740 competition can kill off like all of the 339 00:15:16,009 --> 00:15:13,380 life you know so we need to sort of have 340 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:16,019 an evolutionary perspective also and not 341 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:18,060 just like a real-time ecological 342 00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,240 perspective to assess these things 343 00:15:26,050 --> 00:15:23,519 um so really good question 344 00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,060 thank you 345 00:15:31,069 --> 00:15:28,800 very quick questions 346 00:15:32,689 --> 00:15:31,079 hi Emily bear Stanford University I was 347 00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:32,699 wondering so in the biological part of 348 00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:35,100 the model what kind of data goes into 349 00:15:39,290 --> 00:15:36,720 that and how can environmental 350 00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:39,300 microbiologists help modelers improve 351 00:15:43,730 --> 00:15:40,680 their models what kind of data do you 352 00:15:46,490 --> 00:15:43,740 need for that right so we need Earth 353 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,500 analogs primarily we need the you know 354 00:15:52,009 --> 00:15:48,720 catabolic reaction parameters 355 00:15:53,689 --> 00:15:52,019 for specific Earth analog so you know we 356 00:15:55,329 --> 00:15:53,699 might want to go to Antarctica and see 357 00:15:58,129 --> 00:15:55,339 what's going on there 358 00:16:00,290 --> 00:15:58,139 and that's our best that's our best way 359 00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,300 to constrain it at the moment 360 00:16:06,769 --> 00:16:02,639 so that's how I think biologists really 361 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:06,779 should really help us in that way 362 00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:09,779 yeah exactly